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Don’t rely on tags to provide meaning (usually).

I think the problems in these cases mainly comes from these tags being just ambiguous enough to be a problem: when one uses [rules-as-written], [system-agnostic], or multiple system tags, there's a few different things they could mean in each case. Of course, the asker and all readers could assume they've all communicated and understood the one correct meaning, but that's unlikely. In cases like the above, the situation's left ambiguous, just that nobody's asking for clarification.

In all cases, I think we need to stop treating these tags as having implicit clear meaning, because they don't. In the cases above, I'm left having to wonder what exactly the tag means there out of the possible meanings, with no clear answer available.

Whatever information the author is attempting to communicate with these tags should be in the question to make it clear and unambiguous the sort of results they want. Then the tag can be used if it correlates to what’s being described in the question. Note this isn't a suggestion to change these tags or really change the system, it's a suggestion that we treat these situations as ambiguous, and respond as we usually would: request clarification, vote to close as unclear if necessary, etc.

  • Someone using the rules-as-written tag should be specifying their RAW constraints. If they don't have any, they probably shouldn't be using the tag.

  • If someone's playing in a specific system (that they have stated in the question) and asking for help with a problem they'll be applying in that system, and they've used the [system-agnostic] tag, it should be clear from their question why that tag is there: Do they want to apply this to multiple systems? Are they using their own homebrew thing? Otherwise they should probably just be using their system's tag.

  • If someone's tagged their question with multiple systems or editions, they should be specifying their relationship to those and make it obvious why each tag is there.

As for our practice of not mentioning the system when we’re using just one and it’s tagged: that’s generally harmless, and I don't think we should change that. As SSD noted in comments, that will generally result in boilerplatethat will generally result in boilerplate that was not ambiguous to begin with.

Don’t rely on tags to provide meaning (usually).

I think the problems in these cases mainly comes from these tags being just ambiguous enough to be a problem: when one uses [rules-as-written], [system-agnostic], or multiple system tags, there's a few different things they could mean in each case. Of course, the asker and all readers could assume they've all communicated and understood the one correct meaning, but that's unlikely. In cases like the above, the situation's left ambiguous, just that nobody's asking for clarification.

In all cases, I think we need to stop treating these tags as having implicit clear meaning, because they don't. In the cases above, I'm left having to wonder what exactly the tag means there out of the possible meanings, with no clear answer available.

Whatever information the author is attempting to communicate with these tags should be in the question to make it clear and unambiguous the sort of results they want. Then the tag can be used if it correlates to what’s being described in the question. Note this isn't a suggestion to change these tags or really change the system, it's a suggestion that we treat these situations as ambiguous, and respond as we usually would: request clarification, vote to close as unclear if necessary, etc.

  • Someone using the rules-as-written tag should be specifying their RAW constraints. If they don't have any, they probably shouldn't be using the tag.

  • If someone's playing in a specific system (that they have stated in the question) and asking for help with a problem they'll be applying in that system, and they've used the [system-agnostic] tag, it should be clear from their question why that tag is there: Do they want to apply this to multiple systems? Are they using their own homebrew thing? Otherwise they should probably just be using their system's tag.

  • If someone's tagged their question with multiple systems or editions, they should be specifying their relationship to those and make it obvious why each tag is there.

As for our practice of not mentioning the system when we’re using just one and it’s tagged: that’s generally harmless, and I don't think we should change that. As SSD noted in comments, that will generally result in boilerplate that was not ambiguous to begin with.

Don’t rely on tags to provide meaning (usually).

I think the problems in these cases mainly comes from these tags being just ambiguous enough to be a problem: when one uses [rules-as-written], [system-agnostic], or multiple system tags, there's a few different things they could mean in each case. Of course, the asker and all readers could assume they've all communicated and understood the one correct meaning, but that's unlikely. In cases like the above, the situation's left ambiguous, just that nobody's asking for clarification.

In all cases, I think we need to stop treating these tags as having implicit clear meaning, because they don't. In the cases above, I'm left having to wonder what exactly the tag means there out of the possible meanings, with no clear answer available.

Whatever information the author is attempting to communicate with these tags should be in the question to make it clear and unambiguous the sort of results they want. Then the tag can be used if it correlates to what’s being described in the question. Note this isn't a suggestion to change these tags or really change the system, it's a suggestion that we treat these situations as ambiguous, and respond as we usually would: request clarification, vote to close as unclear if necessary, etc.

  • Someone using the rules-as-written tag should be specifying their RAW constraints. If they don't have any, they probably shouldn't be using the tag.

  • If someone's playing in a specific system (that they have stated in the question) and asking for help with a problem they'll be applying in that system, and they've used the [system-agnostic] tag, it should be clear from their question why that tag is there: Do they want to apply this to multiple systems? Are they using their own homebrew thing? Otherwise they should probably just be using their system's tag.

  • If someone's tagged their question with multiple systems or editions, they should be specifying their relationship to those and make it obvious why each tag is there.

As for our practice of not mentioning the system when we’re using just one and it’s tagged: that’s generally harmless, and I don't think we should change that. As SSD noted in comments, that will generally result in boilerplate that was not ambiguous to begin with.

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Don’t rely on tags to provide meaning (usually).

I think the problems in these cases mainly comes from these tags being just ambiguous enough to be a problem: when one uses [rules-as-written], [system-agnostic], or multiple system tags, there's a few different things they could mean in each case. Of course, they may believe they're being perfectly clear and unambiguous. Likewise, the asker and all readers believe they understood perfectly,could assume they've all communicated and of course that everyone else understood perfectly.the one correct meaning, but That'sthat's unlikely — in reality. In cases like the above, the tag's stillsituation's left ambiguous and people are making assumptions, just that nobody's asking for clarification.

In all cases, I think we need to stop treating these tags as having implicit clear meaning, because they don't. In all the cases I describedabove, my problem comes down toI'm left having to wonder: “okay, that tag’s there, but what does its presenceexactly the tag mean?means” - there out of the possible meanings, with no conclusiveclear answer really available.

So: whateverWhatever information you're tryingthe author is attempting to communicate with these tags needs toshould be in the question first and foremost, to make it clear and unambiguous the sort of results youthey want. Then the tag can be used if it correlates to what’s being described in the question. Note this isn't a suggestion to change these tags or really change the system, it's a suggestion that we treat these situations as ambiguous, and respond as we usually would: request clarification, vote to close as unclear if necessary, etc.

  • If you use [rulesSomeone using the rules-as-written], specify yourwritten tag should be specifying their RAW constraints. If youthey don't have any, don't usethey probably shouldn't be using the tag.

  • If you'resomeone's playing in a specific system (that youthey have stated in the question) and asking for help with a problem they'll be applying in that system, either useand they've used the [system-agnostic] and make sure it'stag, it should be clear from their question why you're using that tag, or don't use [system-agnostic] and is there: Do they want to apply this to multiple systems? Are they using their own homebrew thing? Otherwise they should probably just use yourbe using their system's tag.

  • UsingIf someone's tagged their question with multiple systems or editions of the system? Specify, they should be specifying their relationship, to those and make it obvious why each tag is there.

If readers find this information is missing, request improvements or clarification, retag, or vote to close as unclear.

Note well this isn't a suggestion to change how we use the tags. This is just a request that we reconsider whether these tags communicate clearly in the first place, and shift our community practices a bit to start asking "why's that tag there exactly?".

As for our practice of not mentioning the system when we’re using just one and it’s tagged: that’s generally harmless, and I don't think we should change that. As SSD noted in comments, that will generally result in boilerplate that was not ambiguous to begin with.

Don’t rely on tags to provide meaning (usually).

I think the problems in these cases mainly comes from these tags being ambiguous: when one uses [rules-as-written], [system-agnostic], or multiple system tags, there's a few different things they could mean in each case. Of course, they may believe they're being perfectly clear and unambiguous. Likewise, the readers believe they understood perfectly, and of course that everyone else understood perfectly. That's unlikely — in reality, the tag's still ambiguous and people are making assumptions.

In all cases, I think we need to stop treating these tags as having implicit clear meaning, because they don't. In all the cases I described, my problem comes down to having to wonder: “okay, that tag’s there, but what does its presence mean?” - with no conclusive answer really available.

So: whatever information you're trying to communicate with these tags needs to be in the question first and foremost, to make it clear and unambiguous the sort of results you want. Then the tag can be used if it correlates to what’s being described in the question.

  • If you use [rules-as-written], specify your RAW constraints. If you don't have any, don't use the tag.

  • If you're playing in a specific system (that you have stated in the question) and asking for help with a problem, either use [system-agnostic] and make sure it's clear why you're using that tag, or don't use [system-agnostic] and just use your system's tag.

  • Using multiple systems or editions of the system? Specify their relationship, and make it obvious why each tag is there.

If readers find this information is missing, request improvements or clarification, retag, or vote to close as unclear.

Note well this isn't a suggestion to change how we use the tags. This is just a request that we reconsider whether these tags communicate clearly in the first place, and shift our community practices a bit to start asking "why's that tag there exactly?".

As for our practice of not mentioning the system when we’re using just one and it’s tagged: that’s generally harmless, and I don't think we should change that. As SSD noted in comments, that will generally result in boilerplate that was not ambiguous to begin with.

Don’t rely on tags to provide meaning (usually).

I think the problems in these cases mainly comes from these tags being just ambiguous enough to be a problem: when one uses [rules-as-written], [system-agnostic], or multiple system tags, there's a few different things they could mean in each case. Of course, the asker and all readers could assume they've all communicated and understood the one correct meaning, but that's unlikely. In cases like the above, the situation's left ambiguous, just that nobody's asking for clarification.

In all cases, I think we need to stop treating these tags as having implicit clear meaning, because they don't. In the cases above, I'm left having to wonder what exactly the tag means there out of the possible meanings, with no clear answer available.

Whatever information the author is attempting to communicate with these tags should be in the question to make it clear and unambiguous the sort of results they want. Then the tag can be used if it correlates to what’s being described in the question. Note this isn't a suggestion to change these tags or really change the system, it's a suggestion that we treat these situations as ambiguous, and respond as we usually would: request clarification, vote to close as unclear if necessary, etc.

  • Someone using the rules-as-written tag should be specifying their RAW constraints. If they don't have any, they probably shouldn't be using the tag.

  • If someone's playing in a specific system (that they have stated in the question) and asking for help with a problem they'll be applying in that system, and they've used the [system-agnostic] tag, it should be clear from their question why that tag is there: Do they want to apply this to multiple systems? Are they using their own homebrew thing? Otherwise they should probably just be using their system's tag.

  • If someone's tagged their question with multiple systems or editions, they should be specifying their relationship to those and make it obvious why each tag is there.

As for our practice of not mentioning the system when we’re using just one and it’s tagged: that’s generally harmless, and I don't think we should change that. As SSD noted in comments, that will generally result in boilerplate that was not ambiguous to begin with.

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Don’t rely on tags to provide meaning (usually).

In all cases,I think the problemproblems in these cases mainly comes from the fact these tags arebeing ambiguous: thewhen one uses [rules-as-written], [system-agnostic] and multi-system tagging each have a small variety of possible meanings. However it's often taken as granted that everyone has a common understanding of exactly what is meant by the tag — except when they don't, or except when everyone understands completely.multiple system tags, there's a few different things they could mean in each case. Of course, they may believe they're being perfectly clear and unambiguous. butLikewise, the readers believe they each understand different possible meanings (butunderstood perfectly, and of course, assume that everyone else interprets it that way)understood perfectly. That's unlikely — in reality, the tag's still ambiguous and people are making assumptions.

In all cases, I think we need to stop treating these tags as having implicit clear meaning, because they don't. In all the cases I described, my problem comes down to having to wonder: “okay, that tag’s there, but what does its presence mean?” - with no conclusive answer really available. But presently I see people often going along with it and not questioning it.

So: whatever information you're trying to communicate with these tags needs to be in the question first and foremost, to make it clear and unambiguous the sort of results you want. Then the tag can be used if it correlates to what’s being described in the question.

  • If you use [rules-as-written], specify your RAW constraints. If you don't have any, don't use the tag.

  • If you're playing in a specific system (that you have stated in the question) and asking for help with a problem, either use [system-agnostic] and make sure it's clear why you're using that tag, or don't use [system-agnostic] and just use your system's tag.

  • Using multiple systems or editions of the system? Specify their relationship, and make it obvious why each tag is there.

If readers find this information is missing, request improvements or clarification, retag, or vote to close as unclear.

Note well this isn't a suggestion to change how we use the tags. This is just a request that we reconsider whether these tags communicate clearly in the first place, and shift our community practices a bit to start asking "why's that tag there exactly?".

As for our practice of not mentioning the system when we’re using just one and it’s tagged: that’s generally harmless, and I don't think we should change that. As SSD noted in comments, that will generally result in boilerplate that was not ambiguous to begin with.

Don’t rely on tags to provide meaning (usually).

In all cases, the problem mainly comes from the fact these tags are ambiguous: the [rules-as-written], [system-agnostic] and multi-system tagging each have a small variety of possible meanings. However it's often taken as granted that everyone has a common understanding of exactly what is meant by the tag — except when they don't, or except when everyone understands completely... but they each understand different possible meanings (but, of course, assume everyone else interprets it that way).

In all cases, I think we need to stop treating these tags as having implicit clear meaning. In all the cases I described, my problem comes down to having to wonder: “okay, that tag’s there, but what does its presence mean?” - with no conclusive answer really available. But presently I see people often going along with it and not questioning it.

So: whatever information you're trying to communicate with these tags needs to be in the question first and foremost, to make it clear and unambiguous the sort of results you want. Then the tag can be used if it correlates to what’s being described in the question.

  • If you use [rules-as-written], specify your RAW constraints. If you don't have any, don't use the tag.

  • If you're playing in a specific system (that you have stated in the question) and asking for help with a problem, either use [system-agnostic] and make sure it's clear why you're using that tag, or don't use [system-agnostic] and just use your system's tag.

  • Using multiple systems or editions of the system? Specify their relationship, and make it obvious why each tag is there.

If readers find this information is missing, request improvements or clarification, retag, or vote to close as unclear.

Note well this isn't a suggestion to change how we use the tags. This is just a request that we reconsider whether these tags communicate clearly in the first place, and shift our community practices a bit to start asking "why's that tag there exactly?".

As for our practice of not mentioning the system when we’re using just one and it’s tagged: that’s generally harmless, and I don't think we should change that. As SSD noted in comments, that will generally result in boilerplate that was not ambiguous to begin with.

Don’t rely on tags to provide meaning (usually).

I think the problems in these cases mainly comes from these tags being ambiguous: when one uses [rules-as-written], [system-agnostic], or multiple system tags, there's a few different things they could mean in each case. Of course, they may believe they're being perfectly clear and unambiguous. Likewise, the readers believe they understood perfectly, and of course that everyone else understood perfectly. That's unlikely — in reality, the tag's still ambiguous and people are making assumptions.

In all cases, I think we need to stop treating these tags as having implicit clear meaning, because they don't. In all the cases I described, my problem comes down to having to wonder: “okay, that tag’s there, but what does its presence mean?” - with no conclusive answer really available.

So: whatever information you're trying to communicate with these tags needs to be in the question first and foremost, to make it clear and unambiguous the sort of results you want. Then the tag can be used if it correlates to what’s being described in the question.

  • If you use [rules-as-written], specify your RAW constraints. If you don't have any, don't use the tag.

  • If you're playing in a specific system (that you have stated in the question) and asking for help with a problem, either use [system-agnostic] and make sure it's clear why you're using that tag, or don't use [system-agnostic] and just use your system's tag.

  • Using multiple systems or editions of the system? Specify their relationship, and make it obvious why each tag is there.

If readers find this information is missing, request improvements or clarification, retag, or vote to close as unclear.

Note well this isn't a suggestion to change how we use the tags. This is just a request that we reconsider whether these tags communicate clearly in the first place, and shift our community practices a bit to start asking "why's that tag there exactly?".

As for our practice of not mentioning the system when we’re using just one and it’s tagged: that’s generally harmless, and I don't think we should change that. As SSD noted in comments, that will generally result in boilerplate that was not ambiguous to begin with.

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