Timeline for Request for feedback on Good Subjective moderation
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| Nov 20, 2019 at 16:02 | comment | added | fectin | It’s largely the difference between answers saying “here is how to approach this” and “here is the specific action you should take”, especially with respect to game content. Generalized expertise is both obvious and sufficient in the first kind of answer, but the second kind needs much more specific back-up (which usually only could come from empirical test) | |
| Oct 22, 2019 at 17:52 | comment | added | JRodge01 | @NathanS I agree. Backing up advice or answers with unverifiable experience is a silly practice. | |
| Oct 22, 2019 at 15:08 | comment | added | NathanS | I read "This all seems like great advice that really would help in this situation, but you have to explicitly say you’ve actually done this", and can't help but think: what's to stop people bypassing this, if it were to be enforced, by simply lying and claiming they have when they haven't? In that case, we'd still have to look at the merit of the actual answer beyond their claim that they've done it in real life. This is why I agree that enforcing such a thing is nonsense, and that voting up/down answers that aren't/are crap is better than trying to prove that they aren't crap via policy. | |
| Oct 10, 2019 at 5:21 | comment | added | Exempt-Medic | @KRyan you also said it yourself "But don’t waste everyone’s time with “This all seems like great advice that really would help in this situation, but you have to explicitly say you’ve actually done this.”" this implies people do that, and ask people for explicit statements or experience. Which is entirely my point above. There is a disconnect somewhere between what should be expected (implicit OR explicit support) and what is expected (explicit support only). What the GS/BS guidelines say is this somewhat unclear to me, so I asked my question above. Apologies if that was unclear. | |
| Oct 10, 2019 at 0:03 | comment | added | Exempt-Medic | @KRyan Apologies then, I've at least outlined the causes of my confusion here but perhaps the confusion has just been wholly misplaced (rendering my linked question unnecessary) | |
| Oct 10, 2019 at 0:00 | comment | added | KRyan | @Medix2 AAaaaaaaaaaarghh this is why these discussions are so infuriating. “Backed up” does not mean “experience.” Experience is one way to back up an answer, and in many cases it’s the best or even only way to do so, but yes, answers have to be backed up, no, personal experience is not and never has been the only way to do so. That quote doesn’t mean what you’ve apparently been led to believe. | |
| Oct 9, 2019 at 23:59 | comment | added | Exempt-Medic | @KRyan "our requirement that all posts are to be backed up" from here | |
| Oct 9, 2019 at 23:57 | comment | added | KRyan | @Medix2 Why? It’s not stated in the GS/BS article that it is necessary to completely state your own experience. | |
| Oct 9, 2019 at 23:39 | comment | added | Exempt-Medic | @doppelgreener This seems to showcase a disconnect between what is actually accepted as evidence and what is theoretically accepted as evidence. Not needing to completely explicitly state your own experience seems like a helpful thing to include somewhere. | |
| Oct 9, 2019 at 23:03 | comment | added | doppelgreener Mod | Something I've been thinking I missed in the citation expectations meta is that it should be clear from reading it the user has experience, and sometimes, that's evident without explicit citation of "here's how this has worked out in practice." It's hard to sift truth from truthiness sometimes but we've historically considered this scenario okay. This happens a lot in Fate questions, you can tell when someone's handled a comparable situation because they're able to get into the grit of a situation the way someone operating on theory can't. | |
| Oct 9, 2019 at 18:35 | comment | added | SeriousBri | I will take your word for that, have an upvote :) | |
| Oct 9, 2019 at 18:33 | comment | added | KRyan | @SeriousBri The “don’t guess the system” rule is absolute because it causes a huge mess when people guess wrong, and because we want users to come back and edit their question to be clearer—because we want them to learn to be clearer. Truly under-supported answers rarely get many votes (outside of problematic speculative questions that hit HNQ, anyway), and so there is vastly less need for active moderation. Little else on this site is or should be so absolute; Be Nice is the only other one to come to mind. Game-rec used to have special rules but that tag’s been banned. | |
| Oct 9, 2019 at 18:29 | comment | added | SeriousBri | I was going to post a very similar answer to this myself, but the only other rule I really know is the 'don't guess the system' rule, and since that works on absolutes I am not sure if guessing experience would fly. I do agree though that it is pretty obvious when someone is talking from experience, | |
| Oct 9, 2019 at 18:03 | history | answered | KRyan | CC BY-SA 4.0 |