Timeline for Is it acceptable to include your opinion of the quality of character choices in an answer?
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| Mar 24, 2020 at 16:56 | comment | added | KRyan | There were problems with the answer (suggestion was not a good one, citations demonstrating the lack-of-rule I asserted were missing), but none of those problems were with pushing any opinion, unless you want to call my rejection of the rule you quote as applying to the 3D case—in which case your answer is exactly as bad in exactly the same way, because you’re just as much “pushing the opinion” that it does cover that case. And at this point, my answer addresses that rule and goes into detail on why I think it doesn’t address this situation, while yours just asserts—without evidence—it does. | |
| Mar 24, 2020 at 16:53 | comment | added | KRyan | @nijineko The window for editing comments is brief; after that you can’t. Anyway, challenging the answer was valuable (thanks), but it still has nothing to do with opinion. It was simply honestly what I thought was the most true-to-the-rules answer available. Being wrong isn’t remotely the same as pushing an opinion. Lacking citations is also not the same as pushing an opinion—if I had said that it was “5, 10” from the beginning without citation, I would be what you consider factually correct, but there still wouldn’t be a citation. | |
| Mar 24, 2020 at 11:47 | comment | added | nijineko | Hmmm, I wasn't done editing my comment, and now it appears that I can't edit or delete and redo... what ever happened to those functions? Annoying earthquake.... | |
| Mar 24, 2020 at 11:42 | comment | added | nijineko | @V2Blast I meant that his presenting this formula as an answer without a rules source constituted an opinion type answer, not that the formulas themselves were opinions. The fact that he improved his answer is a) a benefit of my challenging it, and b) proof of my point. | |
| Mar 22, 2020 at 1:52 | comment | added | V2Blast Mod | ...But all that said, nothing in that answer involves his "opinion of the quality of character choices in an answer", which is what this Q&A is about. | |
| Mar 22, 2020 at 1:51 | comment | added | V2Blast Mod | @nijineko: The linked answer (now) quotes the rules on measuring diagonals, which is the source of the "alternating between 5 feet and 10 feet" approach (given for 2D diagonals)... You're right that he didn't explicitly mention them originally. But as for the formulas, those are just mathematical formulas for calculating the hypotenuse of a triangle; that has nothing to do with opinion. The only part of the quoted version of KRyan's answer that's opinion-based is the last paragraph, which contains his conclusion (note: he did come to a different conclusion in a later revision of the answer). | |
| Mar 21, 2020 at 11:49 | comment | added | nijineko | Please show me which rulebook and page your formulas come from? If you can't, it's an opinion. | |
| Mar 20, 2020 at 13:44 | comment | added | KRyan | Also, your example isn’t a good example at all—because it was never written as opinion. I wrote it intending that it simply be accurate to the rules, which I believe it is, as much as one can be in such an under-defined situation. You may think I am wrong, but it’s not the same thing as me offering an opinion. It has nothing to do with this meta discussion, and frankly your analysis here comes off as a rant that people don’t agree with your perception and analysis. | |
| Mar 20, 2020 at 13:40 | comment | added | KRyan |
When quoting questions or answers, it’s best to go into the Edit screen for that question or answer, and copy the source and put your > for each paragraph. The table here takes some care (just one > at the beginning of the whole thing), but otherwise it preserves the quoted material better.
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| Mar 20, 2020 at 4:16 | comment | added | nijineko | Ah, thanks! I'm not sure how to do that on a mobile. | |
| Mar 19, 2020 at 12:55 | comment | added | KorvinStarmast | Organizationally I think this flows better. I dropped the table in. | |
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| Mar 19, 2020 at 12:40 | comment | added | nijineko | @KorvinStarmast see my recent edit, KRyan was kind enough to provide an example. | |
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| Mar 12, 2020 at 14:12 | comment | added | NotArch | @KorvinStarmast And if they think that, then it's enough for them to believe that. I just never have :) But I'm stubborn, ornery, and have authority issues. | |
| Mar 12, 2020 at 14:10 | comment | added | KorvinStarmast | @NautArch It appears to be an impression that nijineko has formed based on interactions on a variety of stacks; if you see something happening often enough ... I don't know enough to know the truth of it. | |
| Mar 12, 2020 at 13:57 | comment | added | NotArch | @KorvinStarmast Is that true, though? I mean, it's an opinion, but I don't know if that's actually true. I think high rep users are often mistaken for mods, but not that everything a high rep user says is considered fact. | |
| Mar 12, 2020 at 13:53 | comment | added | KorvinStarmast | Organizational comment: I wonder if this point, at the end, might benefit from being made earlier in the answer. and this is true of this (and every stack) where high reputation individuals' opinions are often mistaken for facts | |
| Mar 12, 2020 at 13:47 | comment | added | NotArch | @KorvinStarmast Yup, and the answerer and community can downvote and select preferred answers as they so choose. But dictating how answers should come in seems above and beyond. It's similar to when folks post homebrew (tested) solutions for issues. I may not ask for it (and may even say I'm not interested in it), but someone felt it was useful. And maybe it is! Maybe my own blocks are hindering me. Let the community provicde the input they want to provide and then vote/choose as you feel fit. | |
| Mar 12, 2020 at 13:46 | comment | added | KorvinStarmast | @NautArch yeah, that's fair, I was just thinking about how I'd try to say the same thing. Free advice is often worth exactly what one pays for it. :) | |
| Mar 12, 2020 at 13:44 | comment | added | NotArch | @KorvinStarmast My concern with that is that usually (maybe?) questions don't dictate how someone should answer. That seems like some of the trouble we got into with RAW. | |
| Mar 12, 2020 at 13:39 | comment | added | KorvinStarmast | Here is an idea for a header (word smithing suggestion) "Opinions in answers are not value added unless asked for in the body of the question" - but that's just one way to say it. The other part of the opening of your answer that may be confusing is that it's structure "Absolutely not, except when it's OK, then it's fine." Can you see how that message seems to be fighting with itself as an introduction to your detailed answer? | |
| Mar 12, 2020 at 13:37 | comment | added | nijineko | @KorvinStarmast oh, I see. Thank you for the cross check! It's always good to have responses the challenge one's premise as well as offer differing views, supportive or otherwise. I appreciate you asking. | |
| Mar 12, 2020 at 13:36 | comment | added | KorvinStarmast | In re this comment, I suggest that your title/header is somewhat misleading, or at least at cross purposes with your message. Perhaps an edit to clear that up? | |
| Mar 12, 2020 at 13:32 | comment | added | KorvinStarmast | OK, that's why I asked. Yes, on meta that now and again crops up (and I think that a couple of my answers on meta have had that character (or tone) over the years, though usually it ends up getting edited out when someone notices that and makes a comment). More frequently, though, a question comes up and its character is more a rant/expression of frustration, than a question. There is one on meta right now. ;) | |
| Mar 12, 2020 at 13:32 | comment | added | nijineko | @Everyone Also, please do note my support for opinions in answers inherent in my answer. | |
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| Mar 12, 2020 at 13:30 | comment | added | nijineko | @KorvinStarmast people do that? See other parts of my answer which addresses your comment. Also, I had zero intent to rant. My comment you quoted was a factual observation. I don't see much point to ranting on this site, that would be an expression of emotion which while subjectively valid, simply comes across as an opinion to others which would fall under my criticism as an non valuable opinion... which is kinda the exact point I'm making? | |
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| Mar 11, 2020 at 14:30 | comment | added | NotArch | As someone who spent time in Academia, I'm not sure I agree with the comment about the difficulty of separating fact from fiction. That IS what research is about. And often theses start with an opinion that then must be supported by facts. If it's not supported, then the data isn't proving the thesis. It's fairly obvious when I did research as to what I was able to find support for and what I didn't. Or if I didn't agree with the reasons for why the facts supposedly supported an idea (for whatever of many various possible reasons.) | |
| Mar 11, 2020 at 12:22 | comment | added | nijineko | And that's part of my point, opinions are often mistaken or lazily taken for facts, thus are NOT well presented. | |
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| Mar 10, 2020 at 17:51 | comment | added | Justin Time - Reinstate Monica | The problem with this approach is that, while facts can be presented about how well a given option meets the asker's specifications, they say nothing about how well a given option will compare to other, similar options, nor do they address the enjoyability of a given option. Considering the nature of the media, this makes opinions extremely important for presenting the full picture, provided they're presented well. | |
| Mar 9, 2020 at 17:00 | comment | added | KRyan | A downvote without a comment often implies that no, there are no suggestions for improvement—that the only improvement the voter could imagine is simply deleting the answer. It indicates complete disagreement, on which there is no available compromise, and there is no reason to say so—it would only lead to arguing. Users are encouraged to not comment in such situations. It should be no surprise given my own answer that I’ve downvoted this one, because I strongly and completely disagree with your opinion. (Also, note that on Meta, votes are often used for “agree”/not more than “helpful”/not.) | |
| Mar 9, 2020 at 12:32 | comment | added | nijineko | @medix2 Thank you for your insight! | |
| Mar 7, 2020 at 18:26 | comment | added | Exempt-Medic | Continuing on... Humans are very emotional and illogical, despite anything they may want to believe and I believe that trying to curate the world into an objective, opinion-less place will hurt far more than it could help. Especially in a social location, including Stack. I suppose my "argument" is that opinion adds to the quality of answer by making it human and allowing answers to be individuated and reflect each person's own experiences and depth of knowledge. That all said, this may just come from a difference in what counts as "opinion" since to me nearly everything ever is opinion | |
| Mar 7, 2020 at 18:21 | comment | added | Exempt-Medic | I did not downvote but I am vehemently against the idea that opinions are not valuable information. An experienced person, able to answer a complicated question, has opinions given their prior experience. I agree that stating opinion as fact is wrong, but that's completely different. You seem to be saying you dislike a very specific way of including opinions in answers and then saying it applies to nearly all things. Additionally, at least to me, nearly every single answer is filled with opinion. What you decide to discuss and deem important, etc... We aren't purely objective people | |
| Mar 7, 2020 at 16:40 | comment | added | nijineko | Nice! Already downvoted! Anyone able to tell me why? No comments? No suggestions for improvement? Bueller? | |
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