# The problem with the [gurps-dungeon-fantasy-rpg] tag wording

Today I saw a Dungeon Fantasy Roleplaying Game question (or rather, question spanning both GURPS and DFRPG), and decided to add the latter tag to it, started typing dungeon-fantasy-roleplaying..., didn't see an autocomplete, realised it's too long, added instead because that's how the community seems to usually refer to it anyway, added a wiki explaining what it is and pointing out that it differs from GURPS Dungeon Fantasy (and had it approved).

Then I noticed that there have been other DFRPG questions, with a confusing tag . And now that I know it exists, I think it should be replaced, but was unsure whether to just do it, or bring it up on meta. I asked for advice and was directed here.

# Why It's a Misleading Tag:

TL;DR: it mashes together two titles - GURPS Dungeon Fantasy and the Dungeon Fantasy Roleplaying Game, which are already easy to confuse.

The original GURPS Dungeon Fantasy line is a series of products meant to be used together with GURPS 4th Edition, requiring the Basic Set and strongly suggesting having Magic. Functionally it's an expansion, a series of supplements.

The Dungeon Fantasy Roleplaying Game is a standalone boxed set (also available in PDF) that is fully self-contained, and whose rules differ from the main-line GURPS rule-set (e.g. slams) and have been otherwise streamlined. Officially that is termed Powered by GURPS.

While there is a large level of compatibility between main-line GURPS and DFRPG, it's still considered 'unsafe' to just assume that a mechanic is the same between the two. In fact, on the official forum, DFRPG resides on a separate subforum (not a subset of the GURPS subforum).

(Note: so far only two questions are using the old tag, though there may be more DFRPG questions around already - I only made a quick search. This is why I considered just doing the replacement without bringing it up.)

# The Question

Given the above reasoning for keeping the distinction clear, I would like to completely replace the older tag (), and/or leave a wiki warning elaborating that the two are similar but distinct, and asking to use either of the appropriate tags. Should I just do it, or should I not (and why), or is there an alternative procedures that should be followed?

• related meta on tagging GURPS editions; it does mention Dungeon Fantasy in passing.
– nitsua60 Mod
Mar 23 '19 at 12:53

Clearly at least a couple other people found the other wording more meaningful.

I don’t see how “dfrpg” is less ambiguous and in fact I’m pretty sure there was a dragon flight rpg at some point... avoid unnecessary abbreviations. ‘Rpg’ is a safe well understood way to save a lot of characters but in a world full of “d” RPGs probably chill at that point.

I worry you are fixing a theoretical and not a real problem here. Has anyone actually confused the two? In the two extant questions? Doesn’t seem so.

I could see talking about removing the gurps- from the tag so it’s dungeon-fantasy-rpg, which would be more correct and not nearly as ambiguous, but IMO tag meddling should be saved for a real problem. If you had paused after typing “dungeon-fantasy” the existing tag would have popped.

Tags are an emergent folksonomy by design and intervention in them should be minimized.

• strongly agree that dfrpg should not be the end result: I had to reread the original post a few times to figure out how Dresden Files RPG and GURPS intersected.
– nitsua60 Mod
Mar 23 '19 at 12:50
• The argument against DFRPG. I still think it should not start with 'GURPS' since I've seen people confuse DFRPG with GURPS DF, and having a tag that doesn't even reflect the title of the game (which was very deliberately made a standalone) is not helping. Mar 23 '19 at 17:27
• ok, my proposal is to split the tag to dungeon-fantasy-rpg and gurps-dungeon-fantasy (at least one of the questions needs both), delete the dfrpg tag, add tag wikis as appropriate. sound good? Mar 23 '19 at 19:20
• @mxyzplk Yeah, that's good. Maybe also add a note that DFRPG could mean either SJGames' or Evil Hat's game. Mar 23 '19 at 21:27
• I will delete the dfrpg tag to get rid of that kind of confusion. Mar 23 '19 at 21:47
• Also, i'll leave tag-wiki'ing to someone who cares... Mar 23 '19 at 21:47
• Yeah, we probably shouldn’t have [dfrpg] at all, due to the ambiguity. @vicky_molokh Tags have to mean something specific, as we don’t have 1:many disambiguation like Wikipedia, only 1:1 redirection via a synonym. Lacking any way to decide which DFRPG to grant the tag to, we should have just [dungeon-fantasy-rpg] and [dresden-files-rpg] with no abbreviation synonym. Mar 23 '19 at 21:48
• OK. There was also "dungeon-fantasy" as a preexisting tag that was used for gurps-dungeon-fantasy questions (meaning there were already two tags being used correctly...) Anyway, I have created gurps-dungeon-fantasy and dungeon-fantasy-rpg and merged in all the other tags mentioned here. Mar 23 '19 at 21:58
• @SevenSidedDie Yeah, I shouldn't've used it, probably. I just don't tend to think of Dresden Files, just as nitsua60 didn't think of Dungeon Fantasy. In retrospect it is an interesting coincidence that I apparently ran into two wiki approvals who seemed to agree with the choice. I'll get back to all of this in more detail (checking whether wikis are OK etc.) tomorrow. Mar 23 '19 at 22:57