Psychic tag clean-up

Question

Per this discussion, I’ve cleaned up most of the confusion with psychic. The only step discussed that I haven’t done is synonymizing psychic with the new psychic-class, as I do not have the requisite score of 5 to suggest a synonym.

I have recommended psychic-magic as a synonym for occult-magic. Those who have the necessary score (5) in that tag should vote for the synonym, per the discussion.

Additionally, I created spiritualist and occultist for the relevant classes. I’m not 100% sure those are for the best, but they are classes and other classes have tags (including kineticist and psychic-class itself). They need entries and they may need applying to other questions about those classes.

Finally, having gone through this process, I now think having occult-magic on questions about the kineticist or the psychic or whatever is probably a mistake—it doesn’t really need to be there in most of the cases that it is. There are definitely legitimate occult-magic questions, such as those about occult rituals or psychic duels, and those questions could also interact with some of the occult classes in a way that justifies both tags, but putting occult-magic on every question about the kineticist just because the kineticist is an occult-magic class seems wrong. Since having the tag there makes it easier to find, though, I have left it for the time being.

So, discussion about occult-magic and psychic-class synonyms, the new spiritualist and occultist tags, and whether occult-magic should be removed from questions about occult classes that don’t otherwise interact with special occult-magic issues like rituals or duels. Can anyone make those synonyms? Do we like the new class tags? How do we feel about this occult-magic issue?

Answer 1

Nice work!

Thanks for taking that effort on yourself; there was certainly quite a lot to be done there. All the changes you were able to make yourself seem good - though as you point out, quite a few of these new tags need tag wikis/info. Someone familiar with the concepts they're about should try and add some info about what each tag is about/to be used for.

I've gone ahead and synonymized psychic-magic with occult-magic - per the case you presented in your answer to my previous meta, Paizo seems to be using them to refer to the same concept.

However, I'm not sure psychic needs to be synonymized with psychic-class, or that psychic needs to exist as a tag at all... With the clear naming of the tag as psychic-class, anyone who types "psychic" into the tag field will automatically be suggested to use either psychic-class or occult-magic (since psychic-magic is now a synonym of it). As such, adding psychic as a synonym of the class tag seems unnecessary. That's just my personal assessment, though.

Regarding your assessment here:

I now think having occult-magic on questions about the kineticist or the psychic or whatever is probably a mistake—it doesn’t really need to be there in most of the cases that it is. There are definitely legitimate occult-magic questions, such as those about occult rituals or psychic duels, and those questions could also interact with some of the occult classes in a way that justifies both tags, but putting occult-magic on every question about the kineticist just because the kineticist is an occult-magic class seems wrong.

I am generally inclined to agree with you here. It seems sort of like including a wizards-of-the-coast tag on every D&D question (though that's not a perfect analogy) - it's describing the source/category of the content being asked about, rather than describing the question itself. Again, though, that's just a personal assessment, specifically from someone who's not too familiar with Pathfinder.

If anyone has objections, questions, or concerns, feel free to bring them up here or leave your own answer as appropriate!

Answer 2

Thank you for taking the time. To help out, I've taken a first round crack at providing some tag guidance on the following:

• psychic-class
• occult-magic and by synonym psychic-magic
• spiritualist
• occultist

These edits were based on your discussions within this question and your cited answer; I'm not an expert on either PF or psionics so I'd appreciate a double check. I did deviate from the manner which you tagged things like kineticist to simply be as broad as possible instead of citing specific system. I'm not sure if a Call of Cthulu game has something like a spiritualist or occultist class in it, so I didn't want to exclude other games by mentioning specifics in the tag.

I am concerned that my tag guidance on occult-magic is going to create an issue with regards to the introduction of the term in PF2e. I've only skimmed the rules for PF2e, but I'm concerned there may be legitimate broad questions relating to magic types in PF2e that may feel the tag's guidance excludes their system.