58

A frame challenge is where an author answers a question in a wholly different way the querent never asked for, or potentially expressly forbade, but in a way the author feels will actually solve the problem. (Or otherwise improve the querent's life quality or prevent them from making some terrible mistake.) This is as opposed to answers which answer the ...


46

If it is really a case of asking about the solution instead of the problem, it's OK to leave comments of the form "Can you state the real problem you're trying to solve so we can suggest alternate solutions?" or similar requests for more information (if it's relevant/needed). However, in some cases there is already a solution domain chosen and that's OK. ...


16

Yeah, much as it's useful jargon to discuss how the site operates, I've noticed it being used in answer content lately and I don't think that's a helpful trend. I think it actually makes frame challenges less effective, because they're not really fully explaining and supporting the choice to challenge! Although some phrases to use instead might be useful, I ...


13

Is there a more ordinary colloquial English phrase we could use to describe this stuff we call frame challenges? Yes. I would most naturally say one would question the premise of something. However, since the subject is itself a question, the construct "question the premise of the question" is a bit awkward. I'd instead use challenge the premise of the ...


8

You’re using “frame challenge” to mean something different than what normally gets called a “frame challenge” here. Let’s get our terms on the same page first. The usual meaning of “frame challenge” is just a shorthand for “an answer that first challenges the accuracy of how the question has framed the problem, then answers the question by reframing the ...


7

It's all about the original question, the querent's goals, and the community's additions This is really a tough question because the question was fairly clear in it's request: Wants a BBEG for level 1 players Wants to know how to go about making one The answers that came in were some frame challenges, but some also did directly answer the above question ...


6

Frame challenges are generally about solving problems which is not the job of a comment I'm not going to say that frame challenges can never be part of a valid comment, but the form of a frame challenge isn't generally something that is useful for a comment. A frame challenge is where an author answers a question in a wholly different way the querent never ...


5

There is no right or wrong regarding frame challenges. Frame challenging is a piece of local jargon that just describes a certain way of approaching the problem and providing a solution. It's not special, just hard to do well, which is why it is a subject of discussion enough to be identified and named. Like all proposed solutions, whether it's good or bad ...


4

Don't worry about it "Frame challenge" is not jargon because the meaning of the phrase flows naturally from the meaning of the simple words that make it up. In context, anyone with a basic grasp of English should be able to divine that the poster means to "challenge" the "framing" of the OP's question. Putting words together in novel ways is how language ...


2

Rather than seeking a new term, or new jargon, use available tools Consider instead proposing guidance about the use of the frame challenges in an answer to include the link to the very helpful definition that you provided in this answer, and which you include in your question. While you feel that the issue is that the term is the problem, I disagree and ...


1

It's really hard Getting a straight answer to a question that expresses a minority viewpoint can be extremely difficult on this site. Here's what I do: Accept you are going to lose ~50 rep on this question and it's going to be very downvoted. If you are very low rep, you have to be careful to ration asking real questions with asking popular ones. When I ...


Only top voted, non community-wiki answers of a minimum length are eligible