Timeline for "Is something wrong?" Yes: Pervasive ad hominem and judgmental behaviors
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| Feb 23, 2016 at 23:15 | comment | added | KorvinStarmast | @KRyan You had offered previously to try out a new draft on the RAW tag page. There is some data collection being done. I'll be happy to be a second set of eyes if you like. | |
| Feb 22, 2016 at 19:42 | comment | added | SevenSidedDie Mod | @KRyan We all, each, have our own ball when it comes to not only not writing people off, but also being seen to not be writing people off. You have one, I have one, mxyzplk has one, etc. | |
| Feb 22, 2016 at 14:18 | comment | added | KRyan | My only response to this is that the ball is, and has been for some time, firmly in the moderation team’s court. | |
| Feb 22, 2016 at 6:03 | comment | added | BESW | Avoiding an appearance of antagonism or disrespect at all times, is, of course, impossible: we're humans communicating over a limited text medium and flaws will result. So it's all the more important to avoid such postures wherever possible so that actual miscommunications or temporary lapses in judgement stand out as abnormal and get recognised as genuine when we apologise for them. | |
| Feb 22, 2016 at 5:54 | comment | added | BESW | @SevenSidedDie I don't read it as specifically about staff-tool use, but assuming it is: The average user has a hard time knowing if/how staff-level tools are used; comment deletion, user suspension, & other scary tools are almost completely invisible if I'm not immediately affected. We can only assume the mods' trustworthiness w/these tools by inferring it from their visible actions, so any antagonistic behaviour by a mod damages our trust that he'll make responsible choices w/t powerful & nigh-invisible tools at his disposal. That's why item 2 is about respect "at all times." | |
| Feb 22, 2016 at 5:16 | comment | added | SevenSidedDie Mod | I keep seeing the “ambassador of trust” line quoted, but I frequently wonder how often it's quoted due to a misunderstanding of its meaning. Does everyone who has quoted it recognise that it's talking about trust with the staff-level tools we've been given? I wonder, because it's rarely ever brought up in a context where it makes sense to read it as saying that we've betrayed that trust. | |
| Feb 22, 2016 at 0:39 | comment | added | KorvinStarmast | It was a two comment sequence: that standard is what is expected, even though all of our mods are volunteers who are unpaid. I was not suggesting that you aren't familiar with that, as you've done just that from my experience here. Sorry if that came across as some sort of shot at you -- not intended at all. The only relation to "actionable" is what any adult can do in a variety of situations: set a good example. (and as an adult for nearly 40 decades, I've had my share of days where I have failed to meet that standard). | |
| Feb 22, 2016 at 0:35 | comment | added | wax eagle Mod | @KorvinStarmast I'm quite familiar with that guideline, I feel like I'm missing something with the quotation here? | |
| Feb 22, 2016 at 0:32 | comment | added | wax eagle Mod | @GMJoe I was thinking more of that phrase's use in WTNV :). | |
| Feb 22, 2016 at 0:32 | comment | added | GMJoe | @waxeagle Ah, I didn't realise you were a Call of Cthulu fan. More seriously, I'm blaming that government for ruining the phrase; This answer here uses it much more appropriately. | |
| Feb 22, 2016 at 0:22 | comment | added | wax eagle Mod | @GMJoe Yeah, I realize the connotations. I vastly prefer "if you see something, say nothing, and drink to forget" but it doesn't quite get us out of the pit we're in. | |
| Feb 21, 2016 at 23:57 | comment | added | GMJoe | +1, even though you reminded me of a certain awful pro-suspicion-and-surveillance government-sponsored ad campaign from a while back. Ugh. | |
| Feb 21, 2016 at 20:50 | comment | added | KorvinStarmast | The above is noted, even though moderator is not a paid position. | |
| Feb 21, 2016 at 20:34 | comment | added | KorvinStarmast | From the theory of moderation guidelines "As a moderator, your actions now represent the community, so you will be held to a higher standard of behavior. You are an ambassador of trust, with the same sorts of rights that the official development team and community coordinators have." | |
| Feb 21, 2016 at 7:14 | comment | added | BESW | Actionable: when a mistake is made, the person should make a commensurate acknowledgement of it. This isn't a mod-only thing, but it's esp. imp. that mods seek out these opportunities. Failing in this helped lead to a culture of attacking mods for mistakes, because there's little indication (regardless of reality) that mods will acknowledge & learn from mistakes on their own. To create a culture tolerant of mistakes, we must also have a culture wherein mistake-makers (mods or not) initiate discussion. We can't wait for others to call us out: any response will seem grudging & reluctant. | |
| Feb 21, 2016 at 4:16 | history | edited | wax eagleMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Feb 21, 2016 at 3:40 | history | answered | wax eagleMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |